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CVT techniques but not for singing..

PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 6:52 pm
by Hindiraphero
I'm not a singer. Actually i'm into rap music. I'm trying to have the energy in my voice like Eminem. And i think the modes mentioned in cvt book specially belting(edge) will help me out.
Here's a performance video of Eminem where you can check how he's projecting his voice. So what mode is he using in this video? I guess it's edge. I came to know about the twang after reading cvt book. So he's definitely using a lot of twang.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9o0eNp_U_0
Here's another Eminem's performance video where he managed to have heavy rich dark voice in high part while using edge(i guess)
Ain't he abusing his vocal folds?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU300Z8cB00
I want to achieve this kind of weight in my voice too. Please encourage me.

Re: CVT techniques but not for singing..

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:30 pm
by Hindiraphero
I had to wait for two weeks to ask this question in this forum.

Re: CVT techniques but not for singing..

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 5:57 pm
by Thewall
I agree that he uses a lot of twang. His soundcolor is also just barely on the darker side. I do hear some medium overdrive and maybe some vowels where he is on his way to edge.

Anyway, I think the interpretation is the key to gain the energy here.

Re: CVT techniques but not for singing..

PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:45 pm
by Hindiraphero
Thanx TheWall.
And what about the two other overall principles?
1. Is his support techniques similar to cvt. I see his shoulder's rising when he takes a breath in.
2. Ain't he protruding the jaw and tightening the lips? There's some constrictions around his neck too.

Re: CVT techniques but not for singing..

PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:06 pm
by Hindiraphero
I guess, i'm on my own.

Re: CVT techniques but not for singing..

PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:36 am
by Kaare
Hi there.
I think you have to define "energy".

More volume - a specific sound color - character of sound...??

Generally (like Eminem) use the full metallic modes in the low part of the voice (Overdrive/Edge).
Use sound color to design the sound the way you like it.
Read up and check out the 3 overall principles (support) so you know where to get your "energy" from.

I dont hear him straining og constricting uncontrollably.

Makes sense?
Best regards
Kaare

Re: CVT techniques but not for singing..

PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:50 am
by Hindiraphero
Thanx kaare. I knew it you would reply. So he used low part of voice? I though it was middle/high part of voice. How did you know it was low part of voice?

Re: CVT techniques but not for singing..

PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:26 am
by Kaare
Low/middle - how I know?
Well generally I would say that Eminem is speaking (rapping) which is done in the low/middle part of the voice.
But you can check his general pitch (if its above c4 its in the high part).

Kaare

Re: CVT techniques but not for singing..

PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:41 am
by Hindiraphero
Thanx again kaare. Because it's rapping/speaking, it means i can break some rules of singing mentioned in CVT book as Eminem did in the video? Such as 'lower jaw should be pulled backwards relative to the upper jaw'
Singing is about releasing and rapping is about compressing so i guess i have to pull my lower jaw forward otherwise it's hard to compress sound.

Re: CVT techniques but not for singing..

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:38 am
by Kaare
No I wouldnt suggest that you do that.
And now you have to define "compressing".

I have never heard of singers compressing a sound from proturding the lower jaw.
Thye 3 overall principles are just as vital when we speak as when we sing.
This is why people also get hoarse from speaking = not obeying the 3 overall principles.

Let the lower jaw follow its natural pattern and "compress" the sound using modes and sound color, I would say :-)

Makes sense?
Kaare