What mode am I in?

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What mode am I in?

Postby TeemoWorshipper » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:38 pm

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Re: What mode am I in?

Postby eggplantbren » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:40 pm

Mostly neutral.
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Re: What mode am I in?

Postby TeemoWorshipper » Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:44 pm

Thanks for replying!
But, um, could someone give me advice on how to get out of the mode? Because I tried the bite and tried to twang and all sorts of stuff, but I'm still in neutral.
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Re: What mode am I in?

Postby eggplantbren » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:15 am

If you're used to singing in neutral, the volume might be an important factor. I would suggest trying to go for overdrive because it will have the most contrast with neutral in terms of volume. A good way to find overdrive is to imagine shouting HEY to someone far away. Do it at a comfortable pitch at first and don't be scared of the volume.
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Re: What mode am I in?

Postby TeemoWorshipper » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:28 am

Thank you! Yeah, you.re right, I'm scared of volume because I'm scared of possible damage.
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Re: What mode am I in?

Postby Arthur Lee » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:56 am

Hey man, I am no expert and am definitely still learning myself but I am pretty confident with the basic principles and can probably help you out a bit until one of the more experienced members or mods come on. Indeed, pretend to shout "Hey" across the street to someone with your mouth as if you were going to take a bite out of a huge apple. You should get a loud, full metal sound on an "Eh" (as in stay) vowel. If this hurts at all, take a medium breath in from the abdomen and try to get an "anchoring" sensation down low in your gut. Try shouting "Hey again." and as you slowly release air (and it should be a slow release, of only a tiny bit of air.) attempt to "curve your back" against the pulling in of your navel/abdomen.

If you are working this sensation correctly with your voice you should feel absolutely no strain on your voice as you make this powerful sound. It will feel very good when you first experience this because you will realize that loud sounds are in fact NOT harmful at all when supported correctly. I particularly love to get into a room with great acoustics and just overdrive the hell out of my voice just to feel the effortless power. I can do this for literally hours and feel absolutely no fatigue, but I also support very heavily and have a great amount of twang. If it hurts, you are doing something wrong. Play with the support and make sure the sound is easy and free, this is "Overdrive." Feel free to record some clips and I will definitely listen!

Also man, don't be discouraged if you don't instantly get this. Especially if you are purely used to singing in neutral. If you have not yet developed any twang in your voice or started to physically work your support (and it is definitely work, but it shouldn't be painful work) you are probably not going to have an instant, powerful, perfectly supported overdrive. Practice makes perfect, but like I said, record a clip and the forum will help you as best as we can.
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Re: What mode am I in?

Postby TeemoWorshipper » Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:41 am

Thanks for the advice, Arthur! So, uh, I tried your advice, and um, does this sound more like overdrive?
https://soundcloud.com/lethiferous-lamb/let-it-go
Ahaha it's a terrible and pitchy thing, but I'm mainly just concerned with getting the modes Down first.
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Re: What mode am I in?

Postby Arthur Lee » Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:12 am

Okay, I just listened to your clip. My opinion: That is actually a really pretty curbing voice you got there. Now bear with me on this because I am learning to so take everything i'm saying here with a grain of salt but listening to that clip I can hear that you are not in full metal just yet. However, your voice sounds very pretty and that curbing technique seems solid enough so if you can't get the overdrive down quite yet keep practicing with those voices because you can at least already sing pleasantly!

Also, I think I am hearing a bit of extra air added to your voice, this is pretty common for anyone who is used to singing in a light neutral or curbing style. I am guessing you like R&B vocal styles maybe? Anyway, if you still want to go for overdrive try and REALLY SHOUT it. Continue to play with the sensations of the lower abdomen and back working with each other to create a sort of anchor and REALLLLY just shout like you are angry. My sister is sleeping right now but I would love to record a clip for you very soon! Stand by bro! I really hope I am giving decent advice, but like I said, just take my words with a grain of salt until someone more experienced comes along. I am trying not to tell you anything I am not pretty sure about though. PEACE!

ill have a clip for you soon man :)
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Re: What mode am I in?

Postby Arthur Lee » Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:14 am

Okay, I just listened to your clip. My opinion: That is actually a really pretty curbing voice you got there. Now bear with me on this because I am learning to so take everything i'm saying here with a grain of salt but listening to that clip I can hear that you are not in full metal just yet. However, your voice sounds very pretty and that curbing technique seems solid enough so if you can't get the overdrive down quite yet keep practicing with those voices because you can at least already sing pleasantly!

Also, I think I am hearing a bit of extra air added to your voice, this is pretty common for anyone who is used to singing in a light neutral or curbing style. I am guessing you like R&B vocal styles maybe? Anyway, if you still want to go for overdrive try and REALLY SHOUT it. Continue to play with the sensations of the lower abdomen and back working with each other to create a sort of anchor and REALLLLY just shout like you are angry. My sister is sleeping right now but I would love to record a clip for you very soon! Stand by bro! I really hope I am giving decent advice, but like I said, just take my words with a grain of salt until someone more experienced comes along. I am trying not to tell you anything I am not pretty sure about though. PEACE!

ill have a clip for you soon man :)

edit: I forgot to mention about the air in the voice, what was the point of me saying that? Make sure you never add any breathiness to your voice unless you are in your "Whisper" or neutral voice. If you try to add any extra air than what is required in overdrive and especially curbing in the higher parts of your voice, you will get creaking and strain unnecessarily.
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Re: What mode am I in?

Postby TeemoWorshipper » Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:49 am

Thanks for the complements :oops:
But uh, I think the curbing thing was just a fluke hehe...
And I think I'm doing it wrong too, cuz although it doesn't hurt, my voice sounds different afterwards.
And thanks for taking the time to help me, it's really appreciated.
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Re: What mode am I in?

Postby Arthur Lee » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:33 am

No problem man, I believe CVI is cool for it's "give and receive" approach to the forum. Or at least, that's how I interpret it. People were very quick to help me with my own troubles so i'd love to return it as much as I can. I personally don't think your curbing sounds too bad but It was a bit airy, perhaps it was actually neutral? Again, I really would recommend waiting for an admin for this stuff but i'll do my best until then. I can say for sure though, if it doesn't hurt you are alright. If your voice sounds different after trying it it could be that you are just naturally shading towards the curbing sound after having practiced it. Just a theory! Take it easy!
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Re: What mode am I in?

Postby TeemoWorshipper » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:59 am

Uh ok guys I'm a little worried...
So I said that I don't feel pain while singing and I maintain this... however, my throat does feel a little weird after trying to sing loudly and I get some excess mucus... I'm not quite sure if its pain but sometimes I tend to do this swallowing thing that brings my larynx up out of habit (it 's just kind of like swallowing, except I don't swallow and it doesn't make a sound.) I'm not sure what it is exactly I'm doing, but when I do this, I feel a weird sensation in my throat and I'm not quite sure I'm supposed to feel that...

What I'm basically saying is that is it a sign of vocal damage? Cause I kinda suspect I have vocal damage because I can't really access my higher range like I used to (ergo I have no head voice or falsetto) and I tend to creak alot when i try to sing loudly. But like, there are no audible changes in the rest of my range so IDK...
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Re: What mode am I in?

Postby Kaare » Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:20 pm

Go to a specialist (or 2), get a diagnosis (or 2), a picture and return.
Most likely its a technical issue, but rather be on the safe side.

Hope it works out!
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Re: What mode am I in?

Postby TeemoWorshipper » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:46 am

Alright, so the ENT I went to said that I have swollen vocal cords, but noted that they were due to allergies. He also said that I have no other issues with my vocal cords. So this is mainly a technical issue rather than an issue with my vocal cords? Haha.
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Re: What mode am I in?

Postby Kaare » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:36 pm

Ok, get some medicine for the allergy.
Rest your voice for a couple of days, maybe steam?
And then start singing again focusing on correct technique.

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